New York Divorce Report - The Return of Engagement Rings Re-Visited - Comments http://divorce.clementlaw.com/ Daniel E. Clement: New Jersey & NY Lawyer & Attorney for Family Law & Pre-Nuptials en Copyright 2011 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:44:02 -0500 Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:44:02 -0500 http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/?v=4.32-en http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Marion TD Lewis This is definitely one of those very interesting points in the law of divorce in New York. I had one client who actually married the man, but later moved for an annulment. He felt he should get the ring back. Since an annulment technically says the marriage never happened, I would be curious to hear what people thought should happen in that scenario? I did write an entry on my blog Divorce Saloon about this engagement ring issue that your readers might want to look at. Here is the link.
can I keep the ring

By Marion TD Lewis, Esq. A New York Divorce Attorney and author of Divorce Saloon, New York

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If she refuses to give it back, take her butt to court and inform the judge that you want to donate it's worth to the local food pantry. But, don't her know that until she's there in court.

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]]> http://divorce.clementlaw.com/marriage/the-return-of-engagement-rings-re-visited/#17658 http://divorce.clementlaw.com/marriage/the-return-of-engagement-rings-re-visited/#17658 Marriage Mon, 06 Oct 2008 01:01:37 -0500 Daniel Clement daniel Schwartz Over the years I've had two engagement ring cases. In one case, where I represented the groom who broke off the engagement five weks before the wedding, the bride's father refused to give back the ring, claiming he suffered losses in the form of lost deposits paid to caterers and other vendors. The parties, Orthodox Jews, went to arbitration before a rabbinical court. The rabbis directed that the ring be returned since in Jewish law the cost of the wedding is the husband's obligation, thus anything paid by the bride's father was voluntary. The Bride's father than started a breach of implied contract action, which had not been techinically addressed at the arbitration. Ultimately the man returned the ring, and paid a $5,000.00 attorneys fee for his frivolous conduct.

The second case was far more ironic, if less litigation intense. The groom bought the engagement ring, for something approaching fair market value from the bride's mother. This was an heirloom ring in the bride's family for three or four generations, and the girls wanted to get engaged with it. The bride broke off the engagement and the groom demanded return of the ring. I repreented the bride and tried to argue that the sale of the ring from the mother to the groom was conditioned on the marriage. The court held that since the groom paid close to fair market value, and there was no proof of any such condition, the Civil Right's law applied and he kept the ring.

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